Apple Cider 2.0 (some concerns)
  • Ok guys,



    I'm currently making apple cider again, this time with some changes.



    5 gallons of cider to start



    Bring two gallons of the cider to boil, and chop up two of those huge Korean pears, two pieces of raw cinnamon bark, and cloves.



    Boil for thirty minutes.



    Do the typical sterilization process, start your yeast, and bring your boiled apple juice temp down with a cold bath.



    It smells amazing, and the boiled juice tastes yummy.



    Some concerns though: I've read that cinnamon may cause problems for my yeast. Anyone have this issue before? I'm getting some tiny bubbles in my lock, but last time I made cider, it was fermenting like crazy within hours. Then again, that was 2 gallons, not 5.
  • RDWHAHB.
    “A fine beer may be judged with only one sip, but it's better to be thoroughly sure.” ~ Czech Proverb
  • Yeah, as would Sir Charlie Papazian say !
  • "Rob" wrote: RDWHAHB.



    Heh, yeah, it's fermenting like crazy now. Should be super tasty.
  • I bet it will be!!! Sounds delicious....
    “A fine beer may be judged with only one sip, but it's better to be thoroughly sure.” ~ Czech Proverb
  • Here are pics of the process:

    Equipment:





    Ingredients (korean golden pears, cloves [please use less then I did, this amount was medicinal], cinnamon bark):





    Boil time is 30min's with lid on:





    Restart your yeast while the ingredients are boiling:





    Here's an alternative fermenter for a smaller batch:





    Cool down your hot juice:





    Take a gravity reading...then drink it!!!





    Yeast is dissolved and done by the time the juice is cooled





    Take temp readings until it's 70degrees farenheit





    When juice is cooled, pour it into fermenter, pour the rest of your juice into the fermenter, pitch your yeast.

  • Nice pics... and cool t-shirt ! :mrgreen:
  • Hahahaha.....I couldn't help but laugh when I saw all the cloves in that one photo!!! Medicinal is a good way to describe it!! :lol:



    So how does it taste?? You said one batch was no good, but this is the second time around, right? I'd love to try it, cloves and all. Ohhh, and thanks for the photos.
    “A fine beer may be judged with only one sip, but it's better to be thoroughly sure.” ~ Czech Proverb
  • "Rob" wrote: Hahahaha.....I couldn't help but laugh when I saw all the cloves in that one photo!!! Medicinal is a good way to describe it!! :lol:



    So how does it taste?? You said one batch was no good, but this is the second time around, right? I'd love to try it, cloves and all. Ohhh, and thanks for the photos.



    That was the batch that was no good. Sadly, all my fault not the ingredients, just because it fermented wayyyyy too long (10 days is too long for apple cider).
  • Did you ever get it to work? How long would you recommend?
  • "parker" wrote: Did you ever get it to work? How long would you recommend?



    For apple cider? 3 or 4 days. Do NOT let the fermentation completely stop.
  • I just picked up 4 gallons of apple juice from Costco and plan to attempt some cider.



    I did some reading online and almost all the recipes I found called for about 1 cup of sugar per gallon of juice. Do you think that would solve your over-fermentation problems? They go on to say that it should be fermented for about 2 weeks. If the yeast have something else to eat maybe they wouldn't attack the juice as much. Also, the recipes I read didn't include anything but apple juice, sugar and yeast and since the juice is pasteurized, boiling it (the sugar should still be sterilized) shouldn't be necessary either as long as I don't add any fresh fruit or other ingredients. I'm going to give it a go but I'll make sure to do a hydrometer reading (and a taste test) every 3-4 days just to be sure.



    Almost all the recipes called for 'sugar'. I'm hesitant to put in table sugar but don't know where to find corn sugar in Korea. I'm thinking of adding corn syrup instead. The stuff sold in all the local marts, made from corn starch, is just glucrose, right? I'm thinking it's probably substitutable for corn sugar.



    If anyone has any advice, let me know. Otherwise I'll just give it a go and let you all know how it turns out.
  • So I started a batch of cider.



    4 gallons apple juice from Costco

    boiled one half gallon of water and added about 2 2/3 pounds of table sugar to it

    1 package of dry Nottingham yeast



    It started at 1.076. At about a week it was 1.029 and now, two and a half weeks later it's pretty much stopped at 1.001. I think that's just shy of about 10% alcohol.



    It's very dry but not undrinkable. If I carbonate the crap out of it it might taste like a dry champagne. I'm going to use more juice to prime about half of it and see how it tastes and I have secret plans involving my freezer for the other half of the batch. :twisted:



    I was reading about using campden tablets to stop fermentation part way through. If I did stop it at about 1.025-1.030 it'd still have enough sweetness and a low enough alcohol content to be really really good. Does anybody know where to find them in Korea? And is it still possible to naturally carbonate something after you stop the fermentation with campden tablets or would I have to use a CO2 tank and keg it?
  • It sounds good...Congrats on the success!!! But ya, i'm sure its really dry!! I'm pretty sure at one point in time I saw campden tablets on WineKit Korea, but i just had a quick look and didn't see them there any more. If you used them, I'd guess that naturally carbonating is out of the question as the yeast will all be dead (i think).
    “A fine beer may be judged with only one sip, but it's better to be thoroughly sure.” ~ Czech Proverb
  • woahhhhhhhhh...10% for cider? I'd imagine it's hella dry, yeah. I think you should let apple cider ferment for 7 days tops. After that it starts to taste like pissy champagne. Just because it's still fermenting doesn't mean you need to let it :) That's what I learned from my 2.0 cider.
  • "jdog2050" wrote: woahhhhhhhhh...10% for cider? I'd imagine it's hella dry, yeah. I think you should let apple cider ferment for 7 days tops. After that it starts to taste like pissy champagne. Just because it's still fermenting doesn't mean you need to let it :) That's what I learned from my 2.0 cider.



    Cheap champagne is about what mine tastes like now.



    What do you do to stop fermentation early if you don't have campden tablets? I was thinking I could bottle it, let it sit at room temperature for a day or two to carbonate a little and then throw it in the fridge to force the yeast to go dormant but I'm worried about over-carbonation.
  • Since it's so damned expensive to get real apple juice in Korea I think I'm going to start experimenting in smaller batches. It must be 매실주 making season now because everywhere I go I see those glass containers for sale. I think I'll pick a few up and use them to start making smaller, one gallon batches. I can play around with them more easily that way and they won't keep my primary occupied for as long.
  • I am also taking the plunge into cider this weekend. I have order some k1-v1116 wine yeast and am going to pick up some Costco apple juice today. I have done some research and nobody seems to have an answer for how to stop the fermentation, other than campden tablets. However, my fiancée is British and loves a strong, dry cider, so hopefully it will work out for the best and be drinkable



    My plan is just to pitch the yeast in the apple juice and monitor the FG. I plan on bottling when it is about 6%, maybe let them prime overnight and throw in the fridge, which hopefully will stop (or slow) fermentation and leave some sort of drinkable, 8% alcoholic beverage which will be nice on a hot day.



    Wish me luck!!
  • Found this:

    http://www.ukcider.co.uk/wiki/index.php/Keeving



    Perhaps you could pick up some calcium carbonate (chalk) from the pharmacy....
  • Also found here at WineKit Korea.
    “A fine beer may be judged with only one sip, but it's better to be thoroughly sure.” ~ Czech Proverb
  • "erik" wrote: Found this:

    http://www.ukcider.co.uk/wiki/index.php/Keeving



    Perhaps you could pick up some calcium carbonate (chalk) from the pharmacy....



    Hmmm, do you think it would work even though this is store bought juice? It will not have the layers of pectate gel, clear juice and sediment, so I don't know if it will work



    " As the pectate gel traps much of the nitrogenous vitamins and amino acids present in the juice, the middle layer of clear juice, which should be siphoned off, has now become low in the nutrients the yeast favours and thus inhibits its ability to work"



    Might be a good thing to try on a small batch, dont see how the chalk could hurt it... but then again, my knowledge of chemistry is pretty much nil.
  • You're right.



    Here's some other information -- I haven't looked over it, but maybe it will be of service (or maybe you've already read it)

    http://www.lostmeadowvt.com/cider/other.htm
  • REVIVE! :geek:



    I'm planning on getting a cider started this weekend, so I've been looking all over for recipes and ideas...Korean pears sound perfect! I found a few interesting posts out there, including some people who use limeade concentrate and this guy who insists on using bread yeast. Has anyone tried bread yeast? What would that do vs wine yeast?
  • I made a mead with bread yeast. It looks great, I have yet to taste it as I need some way to siphon it out of the 1 gallon jug it's in. I would recommend against it as the yeast is just like powder on the bottom of the jug. It doesn't consolidate like beer yeast. Any bump and you have yeast floating around.



    BTW - Do you live near Yongsan station?
  • "Kunkemonster" wrote: I made a mead with bread yeast. It looks great, I have yet to taste it as I need some way to siphon it out of the 1 gallon jug it's in. I would recommend against it as the yeast is just like powder on the bottom of the jug. It doesn't consolidate like beer yeast. Any bump and you have yeast floating around.



    BTW - Do you live near Yongsan station?



    Ah, Good to know. Maybe that's why he racks it so often...? I live maybe 15 minutes from Yongsan Station via the 03 Yongsan bus...I'm near Namsan mountain next to the Hyatt Hotel.
  • Oh, I saw one of your posts where you said you bought something from Yongsan EMart, I was gonna invite you over for a few pints if you lived close. Your still invited if you want. ;)
  • "Kunkemonster" wrote: Oh, I saw one of your posts where you said you bought something from Yongsan EMart, I was gonna invite you over for a few pints if you lived close. Your still invited if you want. ;)



    Done and done. Likewise for you once I actually have some pints to offer!
  • I use wine yeast and for the last cider used plain old Korean apple juice. It actually turned out quite tasty.



    The big problem with cider is that it will keep fermenting and sooner or later end up extremely dry (though some people like that). I found the best way is to bottle it when it is down to 1.009 or close, prime with more apple juice (approx 100ml per 1.5L worked well - small fizzy bubbles but nothing like Big Rock's cider, which I think is waaay too fizzy), leave at room temp. for about 6-8 hours and then pop it in the fridge.